some brands are working on diesel bikes !!!
the engine size will larger and the weight of the engine would also be high due to the reinforced engine parts to handle the higher pressure in the engine.so practically the vehicle would be very hard to handle in daily commutes.the power output would seriously decrease by the small engine and the sound of the engine would also be on the higher…[Read more]
Bikes do. Its just that, developing a small capacity diesel engine, esp single cylinder, and then refining it to optimal levels is near impossible. And if it was done, that bike would be way more expensive that its petrol counterparts. And then, petrol motorcycles have always been efficient enough. The world’s fastest bike, the 400kmph+ Y2K, runs…[Read more]
very good Q. It would be good to get a diesel bullet on road.
There’s one that’s supposed to launch this year: The Altius Scimitar 670 cc diesel. No updates on it so far.
1. Sail is priced the same as the Dzire, despite the excise benefit to the latter. Shows you much much money Maruti is minting, especially considering its economy of scale. 2.The interior quality on the current Manza is far batter than the Sail’s. In fact, its a contender for best in class. 3. Etios comes across as overpriced but its petrol engine…[Read more]
They could have given the sail better interiors, i mean even the beat feels plusher from inside.
I agree with @Nishant… Sail could have made with better interiors..as it doesn’t has the best looks in terms of exterior too
Sail should hav d interiors of Beat. It is true that Beat interiors r much better than Sail.
Exterior of Sail looks better in Grey color. interiors will be improved in next facelift, i suppose
Sail is a replacement for the AVEO sedan and its interior fitt is better than the AVEO but finish on the AVEO was a lot better. the styling of the SAIL is very conservative compared to dezires modern styling
i still dnt understand how GM did it suppose i go to a chevy showroom and have a look at beat, then the salesman tells me if u wanna upgrade have a look at sail and after having a look at the inside ill say “Man!!! how is this an upgrade, the beat had climate control which is a car from a lower a segment??”
Seriously, if any manufacturer is not taking indian customer or indian market sensibilities seriously… they dont deserve sales here. What worked in China, Europe may not work here. Rethink a car for India and give nothing less than best shot.. then hope for somebody to spend money on your model
Guys Just wait for upcoming Toyota Vios
I had almost zeroed on Punto 2013 but waiting for Evo as I dont like interiors of Grande Punto. Other option I had was a compact SUV for interior space, road presence and ride. Fabia definitely scores on interior quality and space. With some Scout like paddings, exterior also looks not-bad. Are there any serious driveability issues with Fabia ??…[Read more]
well punto (evo) & punto (abarth) are far from launch dates but sure are best pick among any other hatchback around the globe ….. they are the best pick ….. but don.t expect FIAT to price them same as punto (grande) ….. they are totally different machines ….. evo and abarth have already debuted in different car rallys ….. they will be…[Read more]
Only the Abarth has been spotted testing while the Evo or rather a version upgrade for the Punto since Fiat did not declare the new version as the Evo, is more than a year away from the launch as per Fiat’s official press release. The Ecosport in my opinion will be available before any of those Punto versions. The Fabia, even the Scout variant…[Read more]
Very good detailed response,thanks Amit. I forgot to mention my 3rd choice. Honda Amaze. I like the interiors of that. But I was thinking next upgrade to Punto will be Evo with Abarth. If its only Abarth on Grande Punto, then it can also be bought as a kit (i suppose). I was waiting for Punto next upgrade as I liked EVO interiors over Grande. Pls advise
The Amaze should be out soon. Honda has great petrol engines and their diesels usually are more focused on the driveability and low to mid range performance. If you like the interiors of the Amaze that could take away the podium from all the other contenders. Since Fiat has not given out any details, I would prefer not to speculate about what may…[Read more]
The promise of the car is that you get an automatic that (hopes to)drive like a regular AT in city and runs for free. But I’d rather have a range of 160km and a TS of 100-120kmph, even though the battery may take 8hrs to fully charge instead of 5 or that the annual service costs 7-10k and not 2k. Right now, just not enough range to be practical in…[Read more]
i heard Mahindra is giving battery pack for rent to reduce the replaement cost. Will this calculation hold good even then ?
There are various packages and plans that M&M is working on – and this is one of them. But we’re taking it on the worst case scenario here. Any kind of package / rental would work to reduce costs definitely!
There is no point in rushing for this vehicle…… you do not know how long the electronic/electrical components are going to last…As such in our country no one guarantees the electrical components forget those used in an automobile….and once one of it is busted company is going to charge you heavily. No one can guaranty you for the battery…[Read more]
Just a thought. What happens if this car is driven on a waterlogged street?
Good point shreyans and also add rains/fogs … I am skeptical bcoz this technology is not being used elsewhere in the world not even us/japan … (excluding hybrids as they are diff tech)
Okay. But think about this – how can Beat ( a diesel) have a lower running cost than an electric car? What I observe here is that you have taken 1.5 Lac as the cost for the battery but the battery is going to be replaced after 5 years but calculating the cost over 5 years should not logically include the battery cost. To be honest, take the…[Read more]
yeah the frustration is too mush for people like us who are eagerly waiting for this product from long time.
Well the Ecosport has been delayed, and there are no two ways about it, but then, let us keep in mind that Ford has managed to keep up the customer excitement to a great extent in spite of the delays in its launch. The real effect of the delay can only be understood by its post launch performance and that will depend on its pricing.
People are really frustrated by the delay of Ford Ecosport..now its too much really….
When ford unveiled its ES, honda was not even thinking of brio based sedan. But they developed this model in just 8months and its about launch in april.mind u they did nt have diesel engine ready for then. But what ford is doing. By the time they launch it people vil pissed off it. (Sorry for launguage… ES is really frustrating me)
Single cabin means driver+1 seating. Double cabin means 1 more row of seating
That means u save 2 lacs if you if you take just ur girl friend along. A proper 5 seater and ferry at back is for 8lacs
very nice pricing.can u tell me the mileage of that car coz its best for offroading as roads r very bad?
Owning a car and going on a taxi is very much different thing!!!
- After 5 Years your car must be having some resale value.
You can’t call a cab for all your neighborhood market visits
for emergencies , ur car is always available. no waiting
I second Ajay. You dont need parking space. You can work / relax when somebody else drives. Your Loan margin stays for other loans.
smart calculation but let me remind you these calculations matter only to an average joe who buys a car for transportation purpose from point a to point b. The driving pleasure a car will give you is PRICELESS
@Abhishek Mahla: Very true. But a person taking a car for even local market visits would travel more than 500 Kms a month.
@Ajay Srinivas Raghvan: May be that person is a Doctor and travel to his clinic near by, coz 500 Kms a month means his office distance is less that 8 kms, and which cab company will provide you a cab daily for just 8 kms
Also adding some key points in terms of cost incurred 1. Charges for parking space (owned or rented) 2. Insurance premium. Some optional costs e.g. 1. Driver’s payments (many owner’s keep private driver) 2. Accidental repairs 3. Tire repairs and change in long run (considering 5 years ownership) 3. Accessories cost 4. Battery etc.
In India, I…[Read more]
Experts, pls advise me on this. I heard there is no need to register the car again in another state. Is the same true for ROAD TAX as well ?… what are + and – of this ?
No, the law states that if you buy a car in one state and then move to another state, you will need to within six months pay full road tax for that state as well and/or re-register the car. Usually, full payment of road tax in that state is enough and re-registration is not something one does these days. However, states like Karnataka are very…[Read more]
Unfortunately, you cant do so, for the reasons mentioned above. You need to have a house or some property or business in that state to be able to get your car registered there. Otherwise, all of us would be registering our cars in Chandigarh, where the taxes are lowest. For instance, a Superb which costs about 2.5L to register here in Delhi can be…[Read more]
Now, the topic is beginning to open up. @Shreyas, If I was working in some state, got registered and then got transfered (changed my company) to another state… there is no need to pay road-tax again ?
Not at all. A car once registered can be driven and used all over India. The road tax is paid for a 15year period. Its just that the cops may unnecessarily keep flagging you down for checking or for chai-paani in the new state. And that the resale value is always lower if the car is registered in another state. But legally, nobody can touch you.
Vista D90 has got improved NVH levels,spacious cabin,,climatic control,Touch screen infotainment/gps,lower price tag and more service n/w as of now and a lot more even a body kit on the ZX+ variant.so as an overall package the Vista D90 is scores as a package of power and comfort.Regards…
We enthusiasts swear by the Punto 90hp. Its drive quality, the steering, the suspension setup, the solidity and the toughness, it all just comes together. Perfectly. Harmoniously. Melodiously. Its a car you want to drive. And not share with anyone else. The one you take on that long evening drive. Just you and the car, in perfect symphony. And…[Read more]
any upgrade of punto in term of interior ..?
They added some equipment last year with the 2012 models. No change in the look or color scheme.
The Vista D90 is trying very hard to be a Punto. It’s got the same engine and transmission, and also more features, but at the end of the day, the Punto somehow, just manages to drive better and has a much better image.
its very difficult for tata to change the image of indica vista at prresent with lot of competition
just go for punto
Having driven new Vistas and Puntos as well as having visited the factory where both are made, here are some things from my side. The quality of everything in the Vista has drastically gone up, it is an exceptional VFM offering with features that put the i20 to shame, it accelerates quicker than the Swift diesel, gets the Punto’s 90 HP heart, a…[Read more]
The Vista is the better car when you look at what you get for what price. However, that’s not why 9/10 people buy a Fiat. They buy it because Fiats appeal to the heart and they are cars that grown on you over time, not over a price list or a feature list or a test drive.
it is a joke to compare i20 with vista or punto. i20 is from another league and has another set of buyers for it. copying things or putting one things to another does not make any sense and does not make a hatch as wow factor. for instance vista engine gets punto 90hp, features copied from i20, interiors of a manza, now that is something one can…[Read more]
i20 somehow does not have a complete theme to its design. Neither straight lines as Polo, elegant curves like Punto nor fresh and simple like Micra… they claim its fluidic design. Cockpit is not ergonomic as Punto. FORM FOLLOWS FUNCTION. Controls leaning towards the user not the other way. Koreans are known for copying. They get the booklet…[Read more]
@Zeeti…. so y is not the punto selling in good no.s?
@shenoy… good Q. Its for Fiat to think. I was talking of ergonomics, design theme etc.
@ the answer is simple..punto is not as good as i20..i20 is the best hatch available today..can even compared with a sedan for space, comfort, ride quality and luxurious feel.
@Zeeti..what do you mean by “Controls leaning towards the user not the other way”.
Form Follows Function – simple rule of ergonomics. Placement and design of controls (not just car, any machine) should follow natural flow of human action. Thats followed in Punto. Best in this regard is Honda Civic
@ Zeeti..So in punto controls comes automatically to a driver without needing one..is it that way..according to me..i find i20 controls quite easy to use and useful too.
the one who knws cars will never criticize punto as it is the best performer
@ Noisy engine what punto has to offer!!
i20 looks like the designer was half done with his designs and it was taken away for production. please spare me the horror.
I can not imagine myself sitting in that. if you want luxury feeling, go for honda jazz. if you want good plastics inside, go for polo. if you want a car that you would not even let your friends take driver seat ?.. (as rightly mentioned by shreyas jain) .. go for PUNTO
@Zeeti, @Hitesh – Both Ashu and Shenoy are blinded with their i20s. Ultimately they will say “Sales nos” since ergonomics, a real strong body shell, a really hi tech ECU, a better MID, better algorithms for electronics , a colossal legacy, a Windows based ICE system, the best suspension system, EHPS etc (since there is a huge list) don’t make…[Read more]
@Amit.. Its Hyundai i20 not TATA i20..You are the 1st person i have ever heard of saing that i20 is not a VFM product…. and they use cheap Aftermarket features… The tag under ur name should be removed!!!!
You need help with what VFM means too. VFM means getting the maximum utility from the sum of money spent. In this case is it difficult to see the relative comparison between money spent and utility derived? If relative is incomprehensible to you, take the models which are in the same price bracket. The top spec Vista ZX+ and the closest is the i20…[Read more]
Figo is VFM hatch..it lacks power..and it misses out on some basic features too//
every 1 has their suggestion….if someone asks abt 2 cars..then dont u tell them abt any third option??
and i accept i20 is VFM.. its feature loaded… and im happy to pay the price for what it gives…
u r comparing Vista with i20…Which 1 would u buy among these…[Read more]
What some one would buy really depends on a lot of factors such as budget, need for space, preference of softer / stiffer suspension, preference of light / heavy steering wheel, ownership costs (maintenance, insurance), cost of spares, brand perception, quality expectations, need for manual / auto gearbox, choice of fuel etc. In my case, I would…[Read more]
You are happy with Punto as it fills all the things what you want in a hatch!!!
Same way i prefer i20!!!
@ Amit..I can only laugh reading your literature about i20 not VFM. Experts like you have said that i20 offers features which are seen in sedan class cars or sedan which costs more then 13-15 lkhs. Even punto 90hp does not offer features seen and experienced in i20. Punto has lot to catch up with i20, and masses have i20 b’co they know what is VFM…[Read more]
i20 is not a VFM car.Vista D90 is a VFM car
Vista (75ps) is the better car where Vista d90 is the BEST car in all terms!!
No..i20 is better than Vista..and none of the car be regarded as best!!!
The after-sales-service..Wide Service network…better image,,better resale value..better quality of plastics..better overall fit and finish…. are all there in the i20….not found in the vista!!!
Telescopic steering & 6th gear are unique to i20 but i heard steering feedback is poor at high speeds !
shame, they decided to do away with sunroof in diesel, even top end does not have that.
The Asta (O) is only a petrol variant..not available in diesel… so what is shame in that…
And yes..many say that i20 is not suitable for enthusiasts as it has a light steering..
but many of them like light steering… i myself have drove my i20 at a speed of more than 125kmph..but i havnt felt anytime so
People stuck with i20 they said i20 is best car in the world. Stay away from your car and post comments if you give honest comments ! Try to answer the question? question asked is punto or Vista. Speed of 125 kmph is not a high speed though go beyond that what ur i20 actually respond say 140+..I think vista is better than punto
who said i20 is the best car in the world…no car can be regarded as best in the world….
In the Vista and Punto comparison..i personally feel Punto has an edge over Vista
@ Shenoy good going…people here do not like i20. but still i20 sells more then punto and vista. try answering that critics. I can’t understand people does not like i20 and like punto and vista but still there end choice is i20 and buy i20 in the end..do not know why…pick any year and month sales figure of the 3 and then think and answer which…[Read more]
Yes…but then some people don’t believe the car sales figures….as they say that even if the car doesn’t sell..it is best car for them
@ Shenoy…LOL…on that…JD Power shows who are the top sellers and most dependable hatch/sedan..fiat does not number that why???
hmm…now that is what people should believe in….koreans and japanese are the toppers in it!!!
and we the proud owners of i20 should be felt blessed @Ashu
go and sit on the vista d90 you feel what kind of improvements they made on that car. i think i20 is not a VFM hatch as it cost you more.When u cost more u get more features. i20 is not a VFM hatch where as Vista D90 is VFM hatch right now…Vista D90 lot of improvements like improved NVH levels,SatNAV, Bluetooth and the list goes on .Finally…[Read more]
No car s regarded as best..i think you are blindfolded with the vista D90…
i20 is a VFM hatch.only true car buff can understand what a VFM hatch is called
you are blindfolded with your i20 .i20 is not a VFM hatch. These kind of people are struck with one point (here i20) and try to prove that i am right.Don’t do like this .Analyse other user reviews also.give honest comments..I am not blindfold with Vista d90 .
even i am not blindfolded with vista…
Just read the Tag under my name…it has not just come in d air..
Its due to honest car advises to most of the people….given by me…
where do you think is the vista better than i20..in which terms???
Jst pit the two against each other and see the results..also the downward sales by around 3000 units…[Read more]
and even they are bringing down the prices of vista to boost the sales…. this is not required with i20..
Being the costliest hatch in the premium hatchback segment..still it is on no.2 ranking among its segment
@ Shenoy well said. i20 is the only hatch in the country today whose prices have increased to many fold, but sale figure has never effected by that. even after price hike in i20 recently, the demand of such mighty hatch is there. i20 crdi asta is now close to 9lkh but still people are buying because they know what they are getting…A Premium,…[Read more]
@ Shenoy,,,know you know what i meant,,by my earlier statement ..that people not liking i20 but still owning it in the end..for eg. Mr. Gopi above..lol..!!
ab aur kitna samjhaye inko @Ashu
Tata Vista for Space ….
A serious article by cartoq…
informative. thanks for the tips.
thnks a lot for this info!!!
Its almost like emergency instructions in case of a heart attack or fire accident. Very crucial information. Request you to please add perspective of ABS functionality, advantages in such cases… Looking forward for the addition to this article
Really Good article @Roshun, You have covered every aspect, I don’t think anyone could anything further. Nowadays Total failure is very rare, unless there is some serious damage. Tandem Cylinders, Dual Circuit. Generally happens with very severe neglect also. Very few people know that turning of the ignition would really help. But with the modern…[Read more]